/seriously, Padme, you've kind of got a disturbing Double Standard here/
The films themselves had a double standard. Anakin kills children in the second film, but it’s only until the third film that we’re supposed to be horrified. So, killing Tusken children doesn’t show that you’ve crossed over to the Dark Side, but killing Jedi children does? The slaughter of the Tusken children is supposed to be only a stepping stone to the Dark Side, but the slaughter of Jedi children is supposed to be definite proof that Anakin is gone?
/I guess at the time she just really felt more sorry for Anakin than anything else, but I don't think "To be angry is to be human" is the right response./
Even if she did feel sorry for him, she would still freak out. (In fact, I honestly don’t see how her reaction is much different than Bella Swan’s reaction to Edward Cullen when he told her that he had killed people in the past.) Maybe she’d try not to show how horrified she was, maybe she would’ve tried to calm him down first so that she could safely get out of there, but to hear all of this and then just forget about it? To not tell anyone? What happened to the queen who ordered the heads of the Trade Federation to be arrested, not executed? What happened to the queen who believed in the rule of law and didn’t stoop to killing her enemies, not even when they threatened her safety and the safety of her planet? Now, all of a sudden, vigilante vengeance is okay with her?
/I mean, there's a major difference between just being angry and killing almost everyone in the Sand People tribe including those who probably had nothing to do with it, e.g. the women and the kids./
Exactly. Besides, Padme could’ve easily said the same thing about the Jedi children. After all, Anakin was “angry” there, too. He was angry that he had to hide his marriage to Padme because of the Jedi’s rules, he was angry that they didn’t make him a master, he was angry about possibly losing his wife, he was angry about his mother dying. So, how come anger doesn’t justify what he did then?
/You know what really pissed me off about that scene? Other than checking for a pulse, Obi-Wan didn't care about anything else except pontificating to Anakin about "you're evil, I'm good, yadda yadda yadda" -- he didn't even seem concerned that Padme was just lying there or about redeeming Anakin./
And that’s interesting too (and another contradiction) because in “Return of the Jedi,” Vader tells Luke that “Obi-Wan once thought as you do,” when Luke begs him to come with him. Yet in “Revenge of the Sith,” we clearly see that it’s *Padme* who begged him to turn back from the Dark Side, whereas Obi-Wan, like you said, seemed more interested in lecturing Anakin.
/At least with Anakin one can guess that at one point, he'd just gone off the deep end. But Obi-Wan...I have no idea what was going on in Obi-Wan's head during that scene./
Or during the scene where he stupidly and heartlessly left Anakin to slowly burn to death.
/I didn't really mind Vader saying "Padme", really. To be honest, I thought it was a really poignant moment./
Yeah, I didn’t mind it either. Since Vader never mentions his wife in the Original Trilogy, I thought that it was nice that we finally got to hear him say her name.
/I think a good alternative would be him attempting to kill Sidious in revenge, only to fail because...well, he's not as powerful as he once was./
Yes, especially since the whole reason why he joined up with Sidious in the first place was because Sidious promised that he could save her. Well, now she’s dead, thus Sidious didn’t fulfill his end of the bargain.
/or even sort of like he's struggling to say something, anything, but he can't./
Oh, that would be really sad. Especially if Padme lived long enough to see him in the suit and he could only talk to her and/or the baby with that menacing voice (which would lend another dimension to his request to Luke in RotJ to take off his mask, since not only would he get to see Luke with his own eyes, he’d get to talk to him – barely – in his own voice).
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Re: Warning: Major TL;DR here. (Part Two)
Date: 2014-01-06 09:11 pm (UTC)The films themselves had a double standard. Anakin kills children in the second film, but it’s only until the third film that we’re supposed to be horrified. So, killing Tusken children doesn’t show that you’ve crossed over to the Dark Side, but killing Jedi children does? The slaughter of the Tusken children is supposed to be only a stepping stone to the Dark Side, but the slaughter of Jedi children is supposed to be definite proof that Anakin is gone?
/I guess at the time she just really felt more sorry for Anakin than anything else, but I don't think "To be angry is to be human" is the right response./
Even if she did feel sorry for him, she would still freak out. (In fact, I honestly don’t see how her reaction is much different than Bella Swan’s reaction to Edward Cullen when he told her that he had killed people in the past.) Maybe she’d try not to show how horrified she was, maybe she would’ve tried to calm him down first so that she could safely get out of there, but to hear all of this and then just forget about it? To not tell anyone? What happened to the queen who ordered the heads of the Trade Federation to be arrested, not executed? What happened to the queen who believed in the rule of law and didn’t stoop to killing her enemies, not even when they threatened her safety and the safety of her planet? Now, all of a sudden, vigilante vengeance is okay with her?
/I mean, there's a major difference between just being angry and killing almost everyone in the Sand People tribe including those who probably had nothing to do with it, e.g. the women and the kids./
Exactly. Besides, Padme could’ve easily said the same thing about the Jedi children. After all, Anakin was “angry” there, too. He was angry that he had to hide his marriage to Padme because of the Jedi’s rules, he was angry that they didn’t make him a master, he was angry about possibly losing his wife, he was angry about his mother dying. So, how come anger doesn’t justify what he did then?
/You know what really pissed me off about that scene? Other than checking for a pulse, Obi-Wan didn't care about anything else except pontificating to Anakin about "you're evil, I'm good, yadda yadda yadda" -- he didn't even seem concerned that Padme was just lying there or about redeeming Anakin./
And that’s interesting too (and another contradiction) because in “Return of the Jedi,” Vader tells Luke that “Obi-Wan once thought as you do,” when Luke begs him to come with him. Yet in “Revenge of the Sith,” we clearly see that it’s *Padme* who begged him to turn back from the Dark Side, whereas Obi-Wan, like you said, seemed more interested in lecturing Anakin.
/At least with Anakin one can guess that at one point, he'd just gone off the deep end. But Obi-Wan...I have no idea what was going on in Obi-Wan's head during that scene./
Or during the scene where he stupidly and heartlessly left Anakin to slowly burn to death.
/I didn't really mind Vader saying "Padme", really. To be honest, I thought it was a really poignant moment./
Yeah, I didn’t mind it either. Since Vader never mentions his wife in the Original Trilogy, I thought that it was nice that we finally got to hear him say her name.
/I think a good alternative would be him attempting to kill Sidious in revenge, only to fail because...well, he's not as powerful as he once was./
Yes, especially since the whole reason why he joined up with Sidious in the first place was because Sidious promised that he could save her. Well, now she’s dead, thus Sidious didn’t fulfill his end of the bargain.
/or even sort of like he's struggling to say something, anything, but he can't./
Oh, that would be really sad. Especially if Padme lived long enough to see him in the suit and he could only talk to her and/or the baby with that menacing voice (which would lend another dimension to his request to Luke in RotJ to take off his mask, since not only would he get to see Luke with his own eyes, he’d get to talk to him – barely – in his own voice).